Brainaid alone...

Inscrit le : 02 Oct 2007 Messages : 8

pour la leg 10 eddie acceptes tu de courir sans aucune aide exterieure juste comme nous avec les cartes ov? ca permettrai de TOUS jouer a égalité, de relancer l'interet et pour toi de...montrer que tu es vraiment le plus fort.... Wink

tout ton team sans assistance (et les autres aussi d 'ailleurs)

parce que a ce rythme l an prochain il y aura 20 personnes au départ....alors au moins surune course ca motiverai tout le monde.....

Manu sur Biro64-- TMV

Yes, shure. If all others do not use other tools... Laughing

I want to win this year's RWC. I will not fight as hard next year, but will concentrate on supporting the Mini regattas and giving access to my tools to the people there.

Ocean racing is a high tech game. Even on the smallest ships you have carbon, PBO rigging, canting keels and all sorts of enhancements. Why do you think it is so bad to also enhance the engine of the boat?

You cannot stop people from using tools, there are many more than me or TYT using weather routing software. But I see the sportive point you make, so I propose another solution to the problem: I will make my data more openly available. Then everybody can use it or not use it at their likes. You will be surprised how much you still have to do on your own.

Right now in the indic ocean, I have so much uncertainty in the weather. There is a difference of 290 nm in my optimum position for the next meteo update tomorrow morning. Or in other words: My general great circle course for today is somewhere in between 020 and 076.

So where should I go? Rather follow the great circle on the 020 course, or move more east on the 076 course? Or stay in the middle? This is not simple. And this is not automatic. I have to make the decision. And there is still more data coming in, so the spread might even get bigger...

Next to the weather comes tactic: I am 1 hour behind Gleumes on her course line. I cannot stay there to wait for Gleumes to make mistakes, so I have to do something different. And there is acra3 to watch in the east... These and more are all taken into account and there is no software that can help me make the final decision. And this is not a 5 minutes per hour job, there is a lot more time I investigate in such delicate phases of the race.

Just some insights to how I work, maybe it helps understand the difference between what you think my tools can do and what I know they cannot do Wink

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Fair winds,
Eddie - Aged OV6 boat for sale: brainaid.
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The sea is lovely, dark, and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to sail before I sleep, And miles to sail before I sleep.

Inscrit le : 04 Aoû 2007 Messages : 39

Hello

depuis le début de VT il y avait une espèce de communauté , les premiers outils de nav , VirtualRouteur, Easy routeur, puis VirtualPilote étaient distribués aux autres joueurs , libre à eux de les utiliser ou non .
c'est ce point qui m'a toujours déçu avec brainaid, c'est j'ai un outils puissant mais il n'est que pour moi,difficile de ce fait de faire de toi un beau vainqueur du RWC dans de telle conditions et je pense que ce n'est pas étranger à la désertification de OV

la perte de de coté communautaire .
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Inscrit le : 02 Oct 2007 Messages : 8

i m sure that you will stay part of the best player on OV also, but il's more exciting for us if we know that we are all playing with the sames chances..
it'more interesting playing with 200 players than with 80 no?

(for this leg,caution...i'm just behind you.... lol!

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Inscrit le : 04 Aoû 2007 Messages : 39

Skippers in the mini races do not get outside assistance during the race and they are not allowed to use electronic equipment on board, this is correct. But they take with them all the information they can get before the start of the race including weather routing (printed on paper and discussed with the weather guys before the start).

This is quite good for the normal 3 - 5 days races, and can help through the first few days on the big races. After that you can of course only provide a long term overview of the general situation for the long races like Transat or Acores.

As I do all this weather anyhow for the German Minis, I would also make this available to the OV Minis Wink

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Fair winds,
Eddie - Aged OV6 boat for sale: brainaid.
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The sea is lovely, dark, and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to sail before I sleep, And miles to sail before I sleep.

Inscrit le : 03 Aoû 2007 Messages : 168

Comme souvent, la polémique sur les logiciels de routage réapparait.

Comme je l'ai déjà dit, je suis persuadé qu'Eddie est un très bon marin virtuel et que son logiciel ne fait pas tout.

Par contre, je ne suis pas sur que mettre tes outils à disposition est ce que les joueurs d'OV veulent pour la plupart. Ce qu'ils veulent, ce sont des courses sans routage assisté : ni logiciel des TYT, ni Maxsea ni aucun autre logiciel de routage. Bien sur, il est impossible de vérifier qui utilise ou n'utilise pas ces outils.
Certains les utilisent sans le dire. Au moins les TYT sont clairs là-dessus.

Donc s'il te plait, Eddie, ne mets pas tes outils à disposition ou alors uniquement sur certaines courses. L'idée de biro64 me plait beaucoup plus.
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It seems that the fleet is splited in two parts: a half only plays if they have real chances to gain a course; other half (I am in this part), they enjoy just competing, learning, and trying to reach personal and intermediate goals

Tools are the most important issue for the first half

Instead, for me is more important the definition of the course and the meteo during it. For instance, a course very coastal or plenty of islands is very hard to be managed by me, except if I do not sleep at all; and I have learned (more or less) Atlantic and Pacific meteo, but Mediterranean or Indic meteo are far of my understanding

I enjoy OV at each participation, and I try to beat my competitors each time: in one course my goal is not finish in the last possition (i.e., in this course); in others is try to finish first (i.e. last year UK Round)

And tools are just tools: OV 100 hours forecasts or Virtual Pilot are tools as well. If other competitor has better tools, I have to put more brains to compensate, ... or I have to look for lower goals
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Nos manet Oceanus circumvagus; arva beata
Petamus, arva divites et insulas,
HORACIO Epodo XVI, 41-42

Admin Inscrit le : 01 Aoû 2007 Messages : 347

Hello,

On the real ocean there is enough place for racers, fishers, tourists, etc. However when a sailing world championship is set up, only very experienced racers are competing. For this kind of race some are even hiding the underwater shape of their boat. Every body think it is normal, this is competition at a high level.

OceanVirtuel is a virtual ocean that pretends to give place to all kind of sailors. However when OV organizes a world championship, be prepared to compete with racers of the highest level in virtual sailing on the planet. That is normal.

It is impossibe to verify if a skipper uses or not other informations than those given by OV. By the way shall we blame a skipper who works hard to prepare his world championship regatta as much as it can be done, with softwares and many meteo sources ?

So there is place for the competition of a high level on OV. And be sure that it is very difficult to become a world champion, even in the virtual world.

Meanwhile OV also proposes other challenges, you can build your own regattas and championship, some register for a world tour passing through all the bays and detroit of all kinds, some wish to break records, ... So there is also plenty of room for other regattas than those of the RWC.

One may create a new world championship "no other informations than those of OV allowed". He will have to verify that his rules are respected by his own mean, but it is possible with other people who agree with it.

This is my view ov OceanVirtuel.
Fair Winds
Herve

Inscrit le : 12 Sep 2007 Messages : 85 Localisation : vienne-autriche

tout cela est encore typiquement francais ,de raler,de jalouser,de critiquer
brainaid et son equipe sont les meilleures pour l'instant,ok ils se donnent les moyens,le temps je vois pas ou est le probléme ,a chacun son truc
moi j ai rien du tout et trés peu de temps,je sais bien que je vais jamais
gagner une régate et c'est normal!mais me bat quand meme avec mes petits moyens pour finir le mieux possible et c'est encore cela qui m'amuse le plus.donc franchement chacun fait sa course comme il le veut avec les moyens qu'il a.par contre que le sujet revienne tout le temps sur le tapis ca c'est un peu gonflant!!!!!!!!!!
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C'est normal de râler, un jeu doit rester un jeu.
Quand on voit cette armada arriver aussi groupée ça enlève toute notre motivation. Pour des raisons personnelles je ne participe pas au RWC et je vais certainement abandonner OV.
De plus je trouve que ce forum ressemble étrangement à Loft storry, en bref ça devient à gerber.
Comme vous devez tous avoir remarqué je poste de moins en moins même sur le topic "Humour"
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Que vaut une vie sans voile, sans lasagne et sans fondue.

Admin Inscrit le : 01 Aoû 2007 Messages : 347

C'est ton propos qui est à gerber. OV n'a pas besoin de tes insultes.
Hervé

Inscrit le : 02 Oct 2007 Messages : 8

vous battez pas..j'avais juste lancer le sujet pour essayer de remotiver les troupes..... lol!

bref...moi je decouvre OV cette année et je trouve ca tres bien fait....

mais j avoue qu avec 200 personnes par course ce serait plus sympa plutot que de voir le nombre baisser a a chaque leg a cause de la motivation....

bon vent a tous...